There was never a real motive for the crime even if the State insisted that Diane wanted to be free to pursue her love interest; using her journals to support theirclaim. Instead, there is blood splatter on the ceiling of the car. The rest of the family? They never tried to reunite them with family. Dianes story does not contradict that. It should have been investigated further. Oh 1 more thing I see a lot of comments on pro Diane web sights that say well she drove them to the hospital. She never mentioned that before, and she doesnt mention the FBI agents name. You need real evidence in court. In one of them, he knew her name and in another one, she had answered a call and been told to meet someone. But in the case of DD, there were a lot of elements missing. I enjoyed your take, and agree their are several reasons with this, and lets be honestevery other case ever prosecuted, to take pause and question but Diane continues to lie, make up brand new stories about people after her, and has made no moves to better herself in any way shape or form while shes been in prison, by her own admission. It probably makes you feel so good. This video has Dianes attorney, Jim Jagger, at 1 minutes and 20 seconds that might have some good shots. Even more now with hindsight because of the gun and the fact that her daughter kind of recanted by demonstrating that if pushed, she will say what is expected of her. They are the ones who considered Dianes children as Small Sacrifices. Gosh Donna, you really dont have a clue. did he have eyes in the back of his head.???? She has come a long way. During the process of the termination (which can take the whole 2 years in question, with appeals) the court is mandated to find family to take the children. It became judicial kidnapping to obtain a coerced confession. So yes I think she did it, I think ration left her a long before she did itI think post pardum played in this, I think, she was scattered all over the map.againjust hearing it in her own words. One of the jurors finally declared we started as a group and finished as a group., He also said we dont want to put pressure on the group, we dont want to end up bickering. How about dads side of the family? Fred Hugi was pretty upset when Ann Rule went Hollywood with his case. As far as her innocence goes and the possibility of being paroled if she admitted her crime, Diane strongly maintains her innocence. Andthe DA adopted her other two children. She had no blood spatter or gun powder residue on her hands,clothing or hair. I dont understand how the family court managed to isolate 2 severely traumatized and grievously injured children from their entire family. GSR can easily fall off just by brushing your hand against a surface. Nowadays, this insanity would never be tolerated. Any thoughts on that? She wanted a lawyer to defend her vigorously but the judge stopped her from getting good representation. Halo Infinite. As a rule, any child under the age of ten prompts counsel to question the competence of any testimony that child might give. The fact that the accused in this case was atypical, makes her the perfect target. Doing it without witnesses when she was so sick is underhanded. Just like Rule though, your blog is extremely biased, and reads almost as though she told you exactly what to write at times. Of course buying drugs with three kids in the middle of the night from a guy like that is not the mindful thing to do, but would be more consistent as an explanation for her actions. I personally disagree with that practice but it is common. But I am so tired of the enough time has been served and other criminals have been paroled. Substituting reasonable inference and evidence for tarot cards? It appeared rigged and the fact that Ann Rule sat in the courtroom ready to produce a Masterpiece of Guilt could only help the prosecution. I am a firm believer of where there is smoke there is fire. Considering the lack of evidence, it seems that she was condemned mostly because of herinappropriatestatements and behavior. Go reading US: The American Gulag, 26 Mar 2009 Exploding prison populations in the US serve a basic need of capitalism. The bitches own daughter identified Downs as the shooter. If they could not find the gun or any trace of a shooting on Diane, and you think shes guilty, it would mean she had an accomplice. Hey Jace, I was not going to post your insulting comments but I decided to let the last sentence fly so that I could answer it. So if we started judging people harshly for their flaws, it would never end. It was all about Charlene wanting KnickKnick ~wanting Dianeand Diane wanting a return to the peace she had before Knick asked his wife for a divorce. She claimed she . This coercion came to Dianes attention in January 1989 (Appendix 39). Page 41 of case history. It sounds pretty fair to me. The police admitting on the stand that after 2 weeks, they stopped looking at suspects appears to be a fact. I guess Diane forgot to have that part engraved on the Unicorn. Do you remember it would have been around say November 19th of 82 that you would have left Charlene at one time? And to say that her mental health has degraded is an understatement, but more reason not to keep her eternally incarcerated. There were a few calls and on one occasion, The most frequent remarks I hear about the case when confronted by the state misconduct and the lack of evidence are gut feelings , So the hell with no gun, no GSR, no blood and no witnesses except a sick child who denied knowing who shot them until she could not anymore and happened to be adopted by the prosecutor; making it look like she could never change her mind and reveal that she has no memory of the shooting and maybe have the case reversed. Being a patient of the doctor who saved the childrens lives has nothing to do with the facts of a case. I can make out I will ask you to take a good look at the people in your life. So the hell with no gun, no GSR, no blood and no witnesses except a sick child who denied knowing who shot them until she could not anymore and happened to be adopted by the prosecutor; making it look like she could never change her mind and reveal that she has no memory of the shooting and maybe have the case reversed. She was extremely intelligent but her emotional IQ was no match and her desire for freedom, love and affection were dangerously dragging her down a path of self-destruction. Pros. Oh my. So obviously, she was the prime suspect. What was the justification? Lise lasalle you mention THIS When she (Diane) resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. Mrs. Fredericksons concern for her daughters emotional state was well placed. I tried to contact you by email but my email wouldnt acknowledge you email address. Not hard to go there. In a fairly good knot which would have taken time to do one handed and teeth. The whole blog claims the trial was flawed. Her children deserved the whole truth and nothing but the truth. She had a more than competent attorney and a fair trial before a jury and NOT the same judge who handled the childrens matters. statement regarding the effects of the childrens medications while in hospital should acknowledge where the blogger obtained information about the side effects.). It deserved as much attention as a Unicorn, a song or all the other hearsay floating around because at least, they came from real people signing official documents. The previous video you sent me shows a Jagger pretty animated and involved in the defense of his client. Your prayers were answered. There is her story, the prosecution case and the defense arguments. After six weeks in Oregon where the children were happily spending time with their grandparents while Diane worked her postal route, the incident happened on a dark road that led to Diane being accused of murder and attempted murder. Strange how Jagger is pretty absent too except for the few photos where he is wrongly identified as Hugi. You left and you and Diane Downs spent an evening at a motel? If you think you would have more influence arguing for better relationships with Mexico at a Donald Trump rally in Mexico, why bother? I worked for county child welfare services in Colorado for a decade. Wow does he ever look different than how they portrayed him in the TV movie. The blog I read is all about the improprieties and flat out misconduct in Dianes trial (and the way Ann Rule profited off of it with fiction). I say these things if I were on the jury. She complained about it, but that does not mean she did not suffer for her kids. She could not have been shot twice in the back while sitting up and have the bullet pierce her body to end up under the floorboard of the passenger side. She was still trying to extricate herself from a bad relationship with Steve Downs and was in no hurry to repeat the mistake. She was judged very harshly for her character and her defense was dismal. I dont know the woman. There is no way that a jury would convict Diane today, based on the clearly coached testimony of Christie. It is documented in the blog where I give the source In the 1996 Federal Petition, you can find the Anatomy of Brainwashing that can answer any question on this subject. And her mental health should definitely have been a factor to release her with follow up care. I am a true crime junkie. The children had a father. According to Diane, she then saw a man on the road flagging her and stopped thinking he needed help. There is also a critical shortage of Foster Carers internationally, so that the Hugis offered to take the children in could be viewed as altruistic. Phenobarbital was administered alongside the Dilantin. Our legal system is not perfect. Jump through the States hoops, or find a noose around your neck. During Dianes examination at trial, Fred Hugi said in front of the jury, in the form of a question, that she had been diagnosed as a deviant sociopath.. Late one May night in 1983, Diane Downs sped into an emergency room dropoff in Springfield, Ore., with a horrifying story to tell. Diane downs. Is it the one you tried to use? She had no priors and no history of violence in prison. She threw her keys yet was able to take off right away?? Police witness reports of strangers and confessions were suppressed or not pursued. There were days she was unhappy to see the staff and her family because she was very ill. That poor girl had a lot of bad moments where she would cry constantly or trigger the machines and to have defined this single incident as one of terror instead of excitement over seeing her mom was biased and self-serving. I actually do not know what really happened. I write about cases where due process is in question and important aspects were ignored or twisted. I believe DDs case needs to be re looked at and all evidence reviewed. Why arent you debating the faulty ballistics, and the fact that the gun they affirmed was used in the commission of the crime was not the right one? This test confirmed Diane had not held a gun. Page 40 of Case History. I have no idea whether or not she was guilty of the crime. Justice is all that is left. The fact that she took the kids to the nearest hospital, andtwo of them survived kind offlies in the face of their murder at all costs theory. Danny was the product of an affair. Lack of impulse control is also another symptom that might explain why a mother would stop at night to help a stranger flagging her on the road. I am a Mortuary science student, true crime fanatic, and have been following the Downs case since it happened. To have separated Christie from her brother and the rest of the family to be able to get her mom was unconscionable. When I hear some people say that they would have liked to smack that smirk off Dianes face when she interacted with the cops or the media, I sayreadthis to understand accounts of people laughing at the wrong time and how it is related to their personality disorder. It was omnipresent in the courtroom as well as the Duran Duran song Hungry like the Wolf that supposedly was playing when the children were shot in the car. Shes guilty. That makes no sense. Some would say that Diane Downs was condemned because of her lies and inconsistencies, but I think that it was mostly because of her disturbing demeanor and brash personality. And he grew up there. Knicks habit of turning on and turning off their relationship was known to Diane long before he admitted it in court a year later (Appendix 81, page 1520, line 21): Q. Thanks again. In her book Heart Full of Lies, Rule took so many liberties with the facts that Liysa Northon sued her. I can only imagine to absolute horror of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca during their horrific murders. Celebrity Author Covers Case Ann Rule wrote 'Small Sacrifices,' later released as a movie. Two wrongs do not make a right but illustrates that she should have never been coerced before, during or after the trial. She did not fit in and was now anxious to assert her independence and live her own life. At the time Diane had told police that a stranger attempted to carjack her and shot the kids, and that's what her ex husband was told, too. Everything was in the bag and ready for trial. Thats the point. Just state that at the beginning of the blog. rudy francisco rifle analysis / ford employee profit sharing 2022 / why didn't steve downs get custody. For the children to be legally free for adoption a termination of parental rights had to occur. I am sorry the meaning of nonsense evades you like the facts of the case in this instance. Steve knew Danny was not his biological child and left Downs. I am not sure of the exact timing of Dianes accusations but the Downs family did not only include the grandparents and they were never considered even before this nonsense. They hated her attitude and thought she was promiscuous and showed no sorrow or remorse. Too bad she did not interview Diane or her family. Diane Downs changed her story so many times, even at her parole hearing. Diane changed her story about the stranger on the road. She has been denied parole 2x and is up again in 2020. As an adoptive parent I cant even imagine trying to justify to my daughter our adopting her if we had in any way been a part of the case to terminate her from her bio family. Hi Nanette, it is not a matter of being gullible. Not meaning to sound disrespectful, but you seem to be doing what you accuse Ann Rule of doing. ..it is quite possible if she was tried in todays world, with the evidence they hadquite possible it would of went differentlywe been living in a society that pretty much demand 100% pure forensic evidence provenprobably over 10 years or longer, people expect trials to be that of a law and order TV show..I cant say thats a bad thing, or makes what happened in the 80s on back bad. Why didnt they mention that he said a bad man and whatever else in his condition when they knew it was not possible? Her trial was speculative and based on so many fallacies. Id like to challenge some of the bloggers claims. Diane Downs was one of the most infamous murderers of the 1980s; the emotionally flat blonde was convicted of shooting her three children, killing one of them, along a roadway in Springfield,. A. I told Diane before, but I certainly didnt tell her to http://www.dianedowns.com/Dr.%20Jamison%20affidavit.pdf. Diane was pregnant during the trial so if found not guilty, how would she have regained the love of her life? I will talk to Dianes brother. There is only one major problem with your scenario. Yes, I had to go and sign the lease, yes, sir. It would be about November 20th that you would have gone back with Charlene, what, the next day? It does seem time has done worse to her. She did diagnose her as suffering from cyclothymic disorder and treated her accordingly. The notions of humanity and rehabilitation have been left on the wayside long ago. One of the more bizarre scenes in this farce of an investigation was about to unfold. On the single count of murder, the jurors needed a unanimous decision. She was expelled and reunited with him against her parents wishes. Yes, like many Americans, I think that the US system is barbaric. I dont care what Diane Downs says at the parole board hearing, except if she is innocent or guilty. An attractive woman whose two children were killed in mysterious circumstances and the cops decided to go after her. The flesh and muscle had been cored three days earlier, but the steel plate and bone graft could not be effected for two weeks (a precaution against infection). A conviction founded on lies is no conviction at all. Page 50 of Case History. Nobody knows but her. I am all for reviewing facts and getting a decision overturned in cases of corrupt decisions, and many people are on your side and find these cases totally worth their time. That is the reason effective trial counsel challenges the competency of a nine-year-old child to testify in a court of law. Blood, cuts, limo driver who saw him come in, the shoe print, the blood in the car and on the socks in his bedroom. Seems to me that if that part of the story were true, and she really wanted to find her childrens shooter, she would have provided that information. Ginsburg didn't think women should get to do what men did because she believed they would do the job better; she wanted equality for its own liberating sake. Anyways, I was 10 years old when this happened, I stayed with my aunt and uncle a lot in those years, in which they watched A LOT of nightly news programs.lol most of it was like white noise to me, as I would play with my barbies on their living room floorbut I do remember this story. Downs wanted to get rid of the kids because her new boyfriend didn't want . she flat out says, they are saying Duran Duran made her shoot her kids!..Im like HUHOkay now this is my favorite groupstill is at 44yrs old.I had to investigate this. A very reasonable request that was rejected. and so on. And the interrogations were not tapedand barelydocumented. If you had, you would clearly know that I do not claim her guilt or innocence. Kumbaya my Lord, Kumbaya. I try to remain objective in spite of the media storm depicting the case in a certain way, which is not accurate in every aspect. It wasnt until Prosecutor Hugi said Dr. Jamison had labeled Diane a deviant sociopath that Mr. Why was no one in the family given the right to adopt them. Knick had NOT signed the premarital agreement, but that didnt stay his pursuit of Diane, knowing she was moving 1200 miles away. Right?? 1) Gunshot residue/blood splatter. Im from Australia and have recollections of this case. Thanks for posting for readers. After giving birth to . I then question how she would not have blood splatter if she shot them inside the car at close range. He was very irresponsible and probably could not handle them financially and emotionally. You indicated you were not going to get a divorce? You are telling me to take my smugness elsewhere because it is tiresome. I was a patient of the doctor who worked so hard to save her childrens lives that night. So move on. Except after the idea was subsequently planted in his head only to be alluded to in court, in spite of an agreement to never mention the subject. As for Diane, give me a break. But the birth of little Danny did not make this bad boy change his stripes; he remained a cad and a destabilizing force in their lives. If she was such a manipulative person, she would not be in prison for life, would she? She states, I did not shoot my children and I cant say I did. Her father passed away in October 2017 after having fought relentlessly for her release. It was never a slam dunk. Q. In 1992 I became involved in this work following my interest and research into a notorious murder trial that was held in Oregon many years ago. I understand that the authorities were afraid to leave the two remaining children under her care if they thought she was guilty, but they could have been released to the grandparents or other blood relatives with supervised visits from their mom considering that she was not charged with any crime. You were not there and one thing I have learned about high profile cases, is that you cannot always believe what the media, biased detectives and Ann Rule have to say. Were they involved in the plot too?? They both would fall in love and decide they want to marry each other. How asinine. They checked her shoes and they were clean. Her family members were quite capable of taking care of the children. Page 35 of Case History. It became judicial kidnapping to obtain a coerced confession: inflammatory No matter how horrible people think she is. Thank you Lise. It simply states the facts of the case. You do not have to agree with my general opinion outside of the facts of the case, but I would appreciate some comments on what matters; how this case was handled at trial and during the investigation. Are you still taking comments by email? Jeff, you mention being harsh as if there was a justification for it. But I am more than willing to review any new info. Its more understandable now, after all this time but it has done her so much harm, then and now Problem with that is Diane has said during an interview with detectives that the sketch looks nothing like what she described. Yes, I had filed for divorce and then I canceled it. She said a bunch of really stupid things in the media (my kids were lucky, not me gets the palm) and basically bury herself. Most importantly why would anybody shoot 3 children potentially fatally and leave the adult with a wound in her arm. By the way, that interview with Christie by a biased advocate named Angel borders on abusive. Diane was right-handed. I am glad you read it anyway and I appreciate your comment. In case you did not read the blog: During Dianes examination at trial, Fred Hugi said in front of the jury, in the form of a question, that she had been diagnosed as a deviant sociopath. Lets not take that lightly. In reality,the whole caseturned out to beno small sacrifice for Diane Downs, but it was a huge victory for the State, the media anda very lucrative deal for theQueen of crime fiction herself; Ann Rule. Diane was diagnosed as being bipolar and subsequently diagnosed by a psychiatrist before sentencing. He is in his 70s now and his photo is not on his linkedin or anywhere I could find. If it doesnt matter to you, it should. Why? Are her parents still living (I know they were a few years ago)? I actually can relate to things she did and was like, especially chasing after a guy that dont want youi did one night stands during my chase..to try to get over himits was a dumb idea and really made things worse, but it made sense at the time. According to Detective Welch, Steve Downs followed Diane to Oregon, they fought and Steves rage took the last step on the path hed been treading for a long time. Right after the shooting, little Danny would ask the nurses, , Even Ann Rule in her book, keeps mentioning that, Every time, she said she did not know, they told her to think again and made suggestions. Knick never signed the premarital agreement and Diane never married him. The lousy men in their lives never took a hit because after all, it was these witches fault. No conflict of interest there? But there were discrepancies; the tool marks did not matchand the detective lied on the stand about it. It is not a plus, but it is not a crime either. They brought cakes and cookies and became friends so they were not going to fight over this. According to Oregon law, this would have to be supported by a psychiatrists report or a Wardens letter and Diane provided both. But you told Diane Downs to go ahead and get an apartment? Comments about the title of the website, the blogger, the bias, details like the word bipolar and when it was used when cyclothymic disorder was diagnosed by the person who treated the subject and there is an affidavit posted. Now she claims she was dating an FBI agent at the time, was holding some top secret pictures for him, and she was on the road to meet someone to pass them off, at the instruction of her FBI boyfriend. The case is old and the blog dated, but it is never too late to respond. Brewer freely declared that Diane Downs would never have been convicted except that he believed the lie Jim Jagger permitted Fred Hugi to enter into the record. When you hear her in interviews she sounds more concerned with herself than her kids. In reply to Nick. At the very least, she should have been released by now. But you are right to say that it is my site. Ann Rule did not leave a great legacy as far as honest reporting goes, and she is not the only one to have commercialized a criminal case for personal gain. And after Diane left Arizona she didnt call Knick to inquire about his love, but rather about when he would repay the $500 (Appendix 81, pages 1479-1480). Then feel free to correct the facts and to provide evidence to support them. Maybe that her mom was obviously not well after spending her life in prison so it would have been a good idea to meet the Downss family quietly and get the jest of it. It can safely be presumed, other children told their parents, and that some of those parents reported the disturbing revelation to states Attorney, Prosecutor Fred Hugi. I went on ebay and ordered multiple stuff from the 80s, news footage, just to hear what she sounded like, because of all the talk in the book about her demeanor. Again I go back to how times were back then. The State produced a witness (Ms. Patterson) to testify that Diane Downs entered the hospital bathroom, left the door open, and ran water in the sink (Appendix 87, page 476). She even provided the police with her own sketch. Lockdowns in . If you use this mixed water, you can lift off a gunpowder stain.. I also found it interesting that when he had visited Diane in prison, he had remarked a strange air about her; which did not mean guilt. John Kitzhaber, Governor of Oregon I have plans to go hunting with the husband of one of the alternates.. They did a trace metal test to see if Diane had held a gun. The first two children were Diane's kids with her ex husband Steve Downs. Diane then replied, so, put her back on the stand and make her tell the truth. He said he would when it was his turn, but never did. I have worked in Child Protection for over 20 years and have extensive experience in this field domestically and internationally. Would you know at what speed you are going if you were shot and driving with wounded children in the car? The authorities wanted to see them mourn and fall apart. It is not a run of the mill case. Danny said several times that a bad man shot them and it was written in the nurses notes, but never that his mother shot him. This is not my scenario Tasha. Legally speaking, we do not go after people because they look evil or crazy. Its tiresome. The inconsistencies and obvious lack of evidence in this case should have called for a wider investigation instead of solely focusing on their prime suspect. Tracy, I never said she was in the car. I am not from USA, never have been there, but my impression is that in USA media are far more powerful than the justice system and rational thinking is crushed by easy emotional moods, stereotypes and a hunger for violence coated in a pompous moral attitude. I was always really bothered by that. As her brother mentioned, it would not be that farfetched for his sister to stop for someone considering that she was a person who lacked impulse control and the era. If personal diaries were to be believed, half of the population would be in great jeopardy. It was a harrowing, shameful miscarriage of justice. Shes where she belongs. The gun presented at trial being the wrong one is a fact. Do you REALLY believe she expected them to live especially since she drove at less than 10 mph. After the trial that convicted Diane Downs, Fred Hugi, the Prosecutor adopted Christie and Danny (they were in foster care for 2 years before he decided to adopt them), the two surviving children. In fact, if appropriate family is found, termination is not required. Gunpowder is one of the toughest stains around, when it comes to removing it from clothes. The case NEVER made sense to me. They should have looked for a possible accomplice and checked all the leads. Considering the circumstances, it is difficult not to be a bit cynical about this grand gesture. I think that the US system is barbaric Q. She'd also shot herself in the forearm. After all, Cheryl Downs is basically serving a life sentence with no possibility of parole for her mothers crime. Again thats opinion, and neither balanced nor objective. Diane, of her own admission, had plenty of affairs while she worked at the Post Office. I think that Van Houten was recommended for parole by a system that assessed that after 40 years, she was not a threat to society and a reformed woman. Another conflict of interest. The roller coaster ride had nothing to do with Diane s children and Diane knew it. I appreciate the way you dont try to determine guilt or innocence in your blogs but instead focus on due process and the right of all to a fair trial. She has done her time in prison and I hope that she gets the chance to get out and spend time with her mother and siblings. The car was splattered with blood, but Diane had none on her. I will change it. Maybe because of her notoriety and the victims were children. Plus, you do not let a newly appointed judge to criminal cases, preside over a high profile murder case when he has no experience whatsoever and has already prejudged the defendant dangerous to her children. What about the affidavits of the guy who confessed to several people? As far as Hugi is concerned, it was a total conflict of interest. Dianes automobile was secured and examined and no gun was found. I know several foster parents and social workers. is this a reason??? 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