Upload or insert images from URL. They both underwent full testing but while the Sig was the cheaper handgun ($1.50), it also quoted higher costs for magazines and spare parts, boosting the overall cost of the acquisition. That a shirt tail or jacket cinch cord slips into a holster. Right. For the moron Neanderthals of the Far Right who will scream its the operators fault and we do not give a shit about marketing more safer designed weapons, if such idiotic polices were followed for other consumer goods today we would not have safety glass, anti-lock breaks, back up safeties, child proof medicine caps and chemical bottles, back up cameras, kick back muzzles on chain saws and the list goes on and on. When Villani was asked for his opinion of SIG Sauer, he said, I carry SIGs, I own SIGs, I just dont own a 320nor would I ever. When Scott asked Villani what he found when he took a P320 apart, he said, I thought Wow, they need to do their homework, they need to fix this gun.. He said there has to be something wrong with the gun if this is happening to individuals with this amount of training, this amount of skill.. The extractor is offered only as part of a comprehensive reliability upgrade service. I believe it is the updated parts only because the grip module has a born on date of 10/2018. Heres the version of the report that ran later that night, during ABCs Nightline program . I will discuss the solutions to all these problems and user reviews in this article. No problems since. Its a compounded issue of weakened cases and the chamber design. Third, Glock has had problems, too. P365/P365XL Striker Kit. Anyway around here they do. The HK VP70 was made in 1970 when Gaston Glock was making curtain rods. Once investigated a shot fired into a roll top desk. It takes time for any new platform to work the kinks out. Zero in the affirmative. The one officer in the ABC story had it wrapped in a rag in his gym bag? In the most recent legal action, Deputy Vadnais is seeking $10 million in damages and to have SIG Sauer recall the pistol. The second version emphasized the upgrade to fix the drop safety issue and notes that Harrison believes that problem has been fixed. P365 / P365XL Striker Kit This is a factory Sig Sauer striker kit $57.39. Maybe they could help you out with shipping it back without the long drive. A full-length external extractor will measure greater than 1 inch. He holds a masters degree in public administration from Columbia University. This weekend I had a FTE that jammed up my gun pretty good. For the sake of comparison, the P365 has an overall length of 5.8-inches and height of 4.3inches, and the P365 XL has an overall length of 6.6-inches and a height of 4.8-inches. He wanted to see how accurate the gun was, especially after the customer got it back after the voluntary upgrade. I have almost a hatred for Glocks but the one thing that they are is reliable. I would trust a hungry lion on the Serengeti plains of Africa more than I would a C.E.O. Changing the extractor & extractor spring (recommended fix) seems to have solved the problem. The P320 9mm compact was known to have issues with failure to extract. Quit blaming cops or the military, these guns have a serious problem. That being the case, the 320 is a cocked and locked striker-fired gun; However, it only has two safeties, unlike, say, a 1911, which has four: An inertial firing pin, a positive firing-pin locking safety, a manual sear-locking/blocking safety, and a trigger-bar-blocking grip safety. The rear 1/3rd of the case isfreely able to bloat. Sounds like most of these cases were off-body carry. But I am pretty confident they will not be of much support with using steel cased ammo, but it never hurts to ask. The fact that it happened to you three times with the same ammo eliminates the gun as the variable, and makes it the ammo. Harrison responded, No, I dont think the upgraded version should be recalled, in fact I think the previous version should be recalled so that everyone has the upgraded version.. Anyway my question for $600 would be: Did you have your 3rd wife killed? A lot like carrying a cocked and locked 1911 but with the safety off. Note the addition of ominous background music in the second seven-minutes-longer version (there was no music in the Good Morning America version). Then when the gun still wouldnt operate right, field stripped it and cleared the debris, but didnt understand the gun enough to realize it was now super broken. Sig Sauer has also made other changes to the P320, including a new striker safety mechanism and a new disconnect safety. Sig Sauer Factory P320 Extractor Pin Spring Guide Plus This is a Sig OEM replacement part MSRP: $9.99 $6.60. Asking for a friend. I don't shoot it often but yesterday had fte problems intermittently. Only issue with 320 was initially choking on first round when all 17 rounds were loaded in mag. But Shatner? They received it on 1/10/2018. He probably had a double until it was over. The VIP screening with the meet and greet was like $600. Great job, this threat needed some levity! All those customers who paid $1600 now had a limited function paper weight. Got a whole lot more than the handful you've got pictured too! Not sure if the FTE is related to the feeding problems people see with certain ammo, but check out this link, it MAY be what you need to see. Tried different ammo? Dang, I thought my 320 was the only one that swaged a belt on 9mm cases! Other then that this gun has function without any stoppages. The U.S. manufacturer went a step further in its statement Friday, stating without evidence or attribution, that the timing of the article was intended to undercut its chances in the federal governments upcoming bid to replace all of the handguns in both the military and RCMP. And I have a separate channel for mall ninja training tips. If you did the same with a Glock or an M&P without the thumb safeties, youd get the same result. Such being the case, there very well may BE in inherent design flaw in the gun; We shouldnt just cast the thought aside as being beyond consideration and insist on blaming the problem on operator error.. But it hardly indicts the P320 as a badly engineered weapon or that its worse than another brand. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. The fact that Shatner was doing Wrath of Kahn meet and greets at 90 years old kind of soured me. Once springs loosened up a bit, fill it to the rim. Sig Sauer P320 45 AUTO EXTRACTOR ASSEMBLY - CORROSION RESISTANT. The military is much smarter and no, the gun is not junk. Thanks, Jim. It might only take a little bridging in the powder drop so that a cartridge gets an extra .2gr. Got mine about 8 months ago. People of the Gun are probably familiar with the early problems the P320 had regarding drop safety. You would think that extractor steel would be hardened and heat treated well enough to withstand steel case ammunition, if in fact it was damaged by my use of that ammo. Hilton's $15 million lawsuit said, "there have been 54 reported uncommanded discharges of the P320," meaning the gun went off by itself, over the last five years in 22 states and Washington, D.C. Sig Sauer did not respond to ABC News' request for comment. Hes talking about trial lawyers recruiting clients whove experienced negligent discharges with P320s and suing the gun manufacturer. They did, however, note that when they were contacted by ABC, the company pointed out specific circumstances that were subsequently uncovered in the investigations of a number of these incidents. Stupid marine, cop, citizen, its their fault. Having it as the ONLY trigger pull the weapon has seems (to me) clearly dangerous. So your fanboy perjorative falls not only flat but false. POLISHED GOLD | Polished TiN. Have you ever noticed that big trouble usually comes in groups of 3. They didnt have to, but did. Yes, swapped with my 9mm compact. How close is your load to getting into the rifling? The Glocks lack of a manual safety has caused untold thousands of needless cripplings and death. Will this issue get better or should I be contacting Sig? congrats. This subject has two prongs; One is the negligence of those who have shot themselves with 320s through violations of Rule 2, the other the possible mechanical design failing of the gun. I have several marks on the right side of my RMR as well. They have hundreds of thousands of P320s in regular service now and, despite a search, we couldnt find a rash of reports of soldiers claiming their pistols are firing on their own. The first thing to note about the P320 XTen is that it is, in fact, a P320. Maybe you got one by the same people. P320 Sear Group Housing Assembly. Everyone knows Glocks are the absolute pinnacle of perfection and have never had one single defect ever! (chamber area) and checked for spent shell retention. Theres still the P938 extractors snapping they refuse to acknowledge. The gun has been running flawlessly with mixed brass with 165gn plated, 158gn 38/.357, and 147 factory since. And thats just my opinion. I am shooting reloaded ammo. Powered by Invision Community. 3 disaster is true and if it is Sig will go all out to cover it up if it was. Its hard to say yet but with anything follow the basic safety rules. There wasn't really a straight problem, with most problems having different circumstances/potentially different causes. Thinking its okay to wrap a loaded gun in a towel and toss it into a gym bag is what we get when departments refuse to hire candidates who score too high on IQ tests. I'm giving that a try. Asked if the guns in these cases could have been mishandled, Villani responds, When I see videos of police officers getting out of their car and their weapon discharges in their holsters, nah, theres a problem with the gun. ABC then ran bodycam footage of a pre-upgrade P320 firing as a Michigan state trooper exited his patrol car in 2016 with no mention of the results of any subsequent investigation. there is no better. I'm not sure how long it is really going to take. The real tell is that of all the cases, most are cops of some kind. Born date on box is 8-18-2016. Even if it was an issue with the sear interface, there is still a firing pin safety that will not move unless the trigger is held firmly to the rear. This Extractor is designed to fit perfectly in most standard 9mm Sig P320 models. Not just police in US had issues with sig p320. 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Bagnell told TTAG that he believes the problem with the striker-fired P320 is an inadequate sear/striker connection (he has images he says illustrate this on his website). This reminds me of when Gretchen Carlson sued Fox News for sexual harassment and she got 20 million dollars. The new Tauruses have a good rep, far better then the P320 or P365. Withe the P320 Sigs contract was $169.5 million, $103 million cheaper then Glock. Companies stay silent So I see this asa manufacturer issue not an ammo issue. Not only is it now the designated sidearm of all branches of the U.S. military, there are over a million of them in civilian hands. Stinking Lawyers and quota cops. Well today was a great day for the wife as she had zero malfunctions with her gun! At least nine drops in, none had discharged. At this point I would have to say that Taurus is a better handgun. But when you're running at the raggedy edge, when you're running well into or over +P -- as many people do with super fast powders and super heavy bullets, trying to chase down the holy grail of soft felt recoil -- when you're at that raggedy edge, it doesn't take a double-charge for a catastrophic failure. The Glock fails on both counts. In the case of the 320, lightning is striking the same place an awful lot. I had another thought last night. That took a lot. That being said this is one gun that no one "if they do use as a carry gun" should not carry with a round in the chamber. You can post now and register later. I have a 320 gen 1. Charlton, headquartered in Victoria, B.C., for comment on its original story, but neither responded. You can post now and register later. In the latest lawsuit, plaintiffs allege that the newer-version of the P320 can also discharge when dropped or struck from certain angles. Broken ejector. If it fails, you're kind of screwed. Picard if Im limited to NCC-1701. (chamber area) and checked for spent shell retention. Training and experience are not a talisman that magically prevents accidents. TTAG talked to SIG Sauer about the P320 suits and the ABC reports. It nicely describes what has to happen in a striker-fired P320 for an un-commanded discharge to happen as the plaintiffs have claimed. Again, these are examples the plaintiff in this case is using to support his claim that the P320 is prone to un-commanded discharges.. Manual safeties on pistols, hammer and striker fired systems were found necessary as far back as 1900. The new Kirk does suck. I called Sig and the rep said the X5 is designed to do exactly that, blow out the extractor to save other vital parts, whenever there is an over pressure situation. 3. Result: Sig P320 goes off when dropped and shoots people. While it seems that I have a preference for battle ships, The Romulans had Warbirds. They simply have never been seen in the upper echelon of handgun makers, their entire business model is to offer cheaper guns at cheaper prices. I know I'm reviving an old thread here as well. Trying to gauge how widespread the problem is. Post again when you buy a real gun that you can defend yourself with. He also said it only took like 10 days to get the gun back. There are a few examples, I admitS&Ws M&P from around 2014 were near junk and I wouldnt have bothered to own one as a trotline weight, but apparently S&W had righted that ship since then. BTW it was HK that made the first polymer gun, Glock actually stole the idea for the G17 from them. SIG Sauer factory Extractor Pin for the P320. ABC News ran two reports on the topic last week, highlighting one particular cop in Bridge City, Texas who is suing SIG for $15 million. Right up front, the use of an ill-fitting/improper-for-the-gun holster instantly negates any idea of an unintended discharge being the fault of the design. 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